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  If Time were running in reverse would we know it?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if "time" is running backwards i dont see how that we would ever know, perhaps some clever physicist could devise an experiment to find out for sure.. some theoreticians have suggested the reason the arrow of time runs from past to future is tied intimately to the expansion of space.

  since einstein special theory of relativity we have come to see that "time", space and speed are all relative.

  we now more correctly speak of "space-time" instead of just space.

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  Drw,

  Elsewhere has no idea what time is. His dogmatic comment should tell you that.
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  Does God exist outside of Time?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.

  our view of time has changed over the centuries.

  for the longest time,.

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  Intro,

  Hmm, so it sounds like this is saying seeing God is to be like God. Suppose that God is awareness, (or pure consciousness, whatever you wanna call it) or 'the seeing' but not what is seen or some subject that sees, then seeing God is seeing the seeing, seeing awareness, if that makes sense. In that case, it would certainly be true that seeing God is to be like God, being aware of awareness. I'm sure this won't make a lot of sense to a lot of people, I'm just putting it out there for whoever it may click with.

  I see where you are comming from. I bet in a lot of things we have similar ideas.

  Funky,

  OK, here's my hypothesis. The god you describe is actually one of 43 1/3* sons of a being I call Super-God. Each son has it's own universe to run as they will, but each thinks he is the only true god, omnipotent creator of the only universe. At the end of a certain amount of "time"** Super-God will call a halt and see which god has the best universe. That god then gets a medal and Super-God presses the "reset" button, starting each universe from the beginning.

  *You may think this number must be an integer, but gods (and Super-God) are not subject to our laws of mathematics**Obviously not time as we understand it, but some kind of fluidic non-linear time

  Hey funk, you got a good imagination, I like it, you could be on to something. Very plausible, really so many more things are plausible, than just 2. Lets get rid of the either/or syndrome.

  D Wiltshire, can you see how this hypothesis has as much claim to truth as yours? Do you see that, even if you're right, you can never ever know for sure, because it could all be just a trick. If God is hiding from us, Super-God may be hiding from him and of course, this regression can be continued infinitely.

  You know I have thought of similar hypos myself, i don't consider them taboo, you are right "you can never know fro sure" unless, big big big, unless God make you like himself and then and I really think, only then will you "know" for sure.

  While these hypotheses (yours or mine) may be true, they're not in any way useful. We can certainly ask the question: "What should we expect to see if this hypothesis were correct?" but we can't answer it, because you've defined God (and I've defined Super-God) in such a way as to be immeasurable. So if you're OK with that, you might as well come up with a more interesting god than the god of the Hebrews, seeing as you're not limited by anything as crass as the need for evidence, only your own imagination.

  I disagree! they are useful, these hypotheses are useful. They provide a basis for further investigation if they are good enough to merit it. I think even wild speculation can sometimes be useful, as long as it is recognized for what it is. The God of the universe is not small and human(was temporally), we need to think big to grasp a glimps of him(metaphorically).
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  If Time were running in reverse would we know it?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  if "time" is running backwards i dont see how that we would ever know, perhaps some clever physicist could devise an experiment to find out for sure.. some theoreticians have suggested the reason the arrow of time runs from past to future is tied intimately to the expansion of space.

  since einstein special theory of relativity we have come to see that "time", space and speed are all relative.

  we now more correctly speak of "space-time" instead of just space.

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  bttt
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  Novel about Revenge by a Genius Destroying the WT

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the theme is about this super-genius, who joins the jws to utterly shame and destroy the wt.. he has the ability to work his way into the very personal lives of all the gb (uses money to befriend them) and set them up for a very humiliating fall from the power they have over peoples lives.

  while he has mercy on the reformable he has nothing but contempt for the hideous hypocrites who use their lies ruin peoples lives.. he uses his genius to appear as a loyal brother helping the wt (like bro.

  crk or mghty atprts).

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  Intro,

  What's this mean:

  ... keep it together keep it together keep it together

  If it mean my head, I am, but I want the WT to think otherwise, more fun that way.
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  Does God exist outside of Time?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.

  our view of time has changed over the centuries.

  for the longest time,.

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  Ab,

  "What feats of the imagination do I have to go through in order to maintain my belief in a god?"

  That is the nature of God, he not of this universe, for he is its creator. Isn't that the way it is suppose to be, an supper intelligence that knows all, and can do things that appear miraculous to us, but have an explaination if we knew more or as we grow in our own intelligence as a race of humans.

  This means you either have a natutalistic Universe that just happens to be set-up right to self-organise; unlikely, but we'd never know about it if it wasn't so it's unlikeliness is illusory, or you have one with a inex-plicable god.

  I don't allways like the either/or scenereos, they remind me of creationist/or evolutionist debates. Which goes on the false premise that if you beleive in evolution then you can't beleive in creation. I think both are right on certain points.

  As far as God being inex-plicable, I would say yes, because we exist inside of the universe, when we can see God as he really is, then at that time we will be able to explain him as he really is, but not to humans, because we are so limited.
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  Does God exist outside of Time?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.

  our view of time has changed over the centuries.

  for the longest time,.

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  Logan,

  Very true. But, wouldn't you agree that we also are not in a position to truly know that God actually exists?

  Yes I agree. We won't be in a position to know if God "truly exist" until we are like him and we see him face to face(metaphor: face to face).1John 3:1,2:

  3 See what sort of love the Father has given us, so that we should be called children of God; and such we are. That is why the world does not have a knowledge of us, because it has not come to know him. 2 Beloved ones, now we are children of God, but as yet it has not been made manifest what we shall be. We do know that whenever he is made manifest we shall be like him, because we shall see him just as he is. 3 And everyone who has this hope set upon him purifies himself just as that one is pure.
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  Does God exist outside of Time?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.

  our view of time has changed over the centuries.

  for the longest time,.

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  Logan,

  God must have limits. Could He make a three-sided square? No. He would need to be bound by logical necessity. If a Supreme Deity does exist limitiations would in no way detract from the fact He is supreme.

  If God has limits, I don't think we are in a position to know what they are.

  Frank,

  Therefore God exists outside of time and in no location in space.

  I agree, and I even think he can exist, both inside and out of spacetime. He can also transform himself to become a man and talk to us that way (Jesus). For God to transform himself into a man he would still exist outside of time and space, while he was a man. Are not all things possible with God even the things that appear impossible to us.?
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  Does God exist outside of Time?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  does god exist out side of our dimension of time?.

  our view of time has changed over the centuries.

  for the longest time,.

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  D wiltshire

  BTTT
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  Novel about Revenge by a Genius Destroying the WT

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the theme is about this super-genius, who joins the jws to utterly shame and destroy the wt.. he has the ability to work his way into the very personal lives of all the gb (uses money to befriend them) and set them up for a very humiliating fall from the power they have over peoples lives.

  while he has mercy on the reformable he has nothing but contempt for the hideous hypocrites who use their lies ruin peoples lives.. he uses his genius to appear as a loyal brother helping the wt (like bro.

  crk or mghty atprts).

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  D wiltshire

  I would like to see the WT made into a public spectacle of shame, for the damage they do to family relations. They disfellowship anybody who finds out about their lies and forces their families to shun them.

  Pray for events to happen that will expose these liars. This is a good type of revenge, because it is just.
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  Matthew 24:36

  by ClassAvenger in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i need someone to explain to me matthew 24:36, preferably people who support the trinity.

  it states that no one knows the second coming of jesus, not even the angels, just the father.

  my question is, how can jesus not know his second coming if he is part of the trinity, or part of god?

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  I pretty much believe God is so highly exulted that we can’t know his nature, but only vaguely. The trinity is a human concept that developed in time, because men have been trying to put some sort of concrete label on God. I currently favor it as partially right. I do believe Jesus is God, as well as the Father and Holy Spirit.

  But this Father, Son and Holy Spirit description of God I believe to be metaphors, that God uses to explain himself to us puny 3 dimensional beings.

  Think for a minute; are the Father and Son really males and the Holy Spirit sexless?

  I don’t think for a minute that un-created beings like the Father and Son have a penis between their legs, do you? These are human concepts that God is using to explain himself to us, it is only "baby talk"(God condescending to are level of understanding), for God can not explain himself completely to us in our human language it is far too limiting. I think we should think of the Father Son, and HS as God, it seems to be what the Scriptures lean towards, but we should also acknowledge that they are beyond our description in human 3 dimensional terms.

  I BTW do not consider having the correct understanding of God to be a matter of salvation. For this will come when we see God face to face.